By Joyce Alexander, RNP (Retired)
Psychopaths sometimes don’t know enough about how the rest of the world thinks to tell a “good” lie. I saw the following article about North Korea’s soccer team and how they had been apparently caught in a doping scandal, but were claiming that it was really an herbal medication that made them test positive for steroids.
The excuse given was that the team members had been struck by lightening and they had decided, heroically, to compete anyway. The steroids were accidentally taken with traditional Chinese medicines.
I have recently found other articles about the “stories” of the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-II, that made me laugh out loud. In one article, he supposedly played his first round of golf and scored a 38, including five holes-in-one.
One of the things I have noticed about many psychopaths, and others who frequently lie, is that their lies are so “off the wall” that no one over three years old would believe a word of them. They will “lie when the truth will fit better” is a saying I’ve heard all my life. This seems to be especially true with pathological liars and psychopaths.
Dr. Robert Hare, well-known psychopathy researcher, says that psychopaths have difficulty realizing that their lies are unbelievable, even when the evidence that they are untrue is literally in front of them. In some way, the two sides of their brains can’t connect the evidence in front of their eyes.
An example of this are the lies told by Casey Anthony when she led the police to the place she supposedly worked, even going to a cubical, when she knew that she didn’t work for that company. She also lied about leaving her daughter with “Zanny the Nanny,” when such a person didn’t exist. Anthony even led the police to the door of the empty apartment with the police in tow.
Not all liars are psychopaths, but all psychopaths are liars. Liars signal that they are not to be trusted. But if you hear a lie that is so outrageous that it makes you laugh out loud, or have the feeling that the person telling it must be “crazy—”look out! You very well may be dealing with a psychopath.
Louise
DUPED NO MORE:
Sorry, I won’t or can’t be of any support any longer. And I can’t even mention that I won’t talk about it because according to someone on here, even mentioning that I won’t talk about it constitutes talking about it…f*cking can’t win. This is unbelievable to me. People come on here to get help and heal and instead things like this happen. I saw it over and over again since I came here and because I am too nice, I just kept my mouth shut. Very sad, very sad. Just makes me want to totally give up on life.
I love you and will support you when I can. Hugs to you.
Back_from_the_edge
I am sorry Louise, that you feel the way you do.
I am sure that whatever was said wasn’t meant.
We all have a propensity to be a little ‘edgy’ and I am just sorry this whole misunderstanding has taken place. And I do believe that is just exactly what it is.
I love you too and I want you to stay until we feel better.
I need you here. Everyone does. You have been and still are an INVALUABLE part of my healing process as you all are.
Each and every single one of you have been one tiny little strand on helping me make it through this. I haven’t told you all everything because for legal reasons I cannot just yet. Once you hear my WHOLE STORY you will completely understand how valuable you ALL truly are, not just to me but to everyone else too. LOUISE: You and I have come through amazingly similar things. Just amazing. Please don’t go or leave me without you.
You are a piece of the puzzle now, Louise.
You can’t give your eviction notice, I won’t let you. 🙂
Duped NO MORE!
Louise
DUPED NO MORE:
Sorry, I didn’t mean it to sound that I wouldn’t support you. That was a terrible choice of words. What I meant was that because I will no longer talk about what happened to me, I wouldn’t be able to talk about it with you, but that doesn’t mean I won’t be there for you of course.
I am not leaving. Just being more quiet.
HUGS.
freemama
Louise you really need to read what I write. It bothers me that you pick out these attacks that aren’t there at all by picking out a few words and not reading the context. And I am a person who can be directly addressed. I’m usually a very kind person, just really REALLY triggered. I’ve shown you sympathy and understanding. Please try to understand what I’m going through. What I’ve been through. I’m now the one considering leaving.
Ox Drover
Freemama, DON’T YOU DARE LEAVE!@!!!!! (((hugs))))There is so much here for us all….and the things we go through are believe it or not OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN to work through problems in a healthy way.
We are all in different places with our grief, pain and healing, but we can still be supportive to each other! Take a break if you need to, but don’t leave….you need us and we need you. (((hugs))) and God bless.
Back_from_the_edge
Alright, everyone to their rooms for a time-out! 🙂
There is no need for this dissention among any of us — we are all on the same team! 🙂
You guys would really make my night if you would just address each other and put this behind us. I think you are both very nice people who have come through some rough stuff…just like all of us have. We are learning TOGETHER about what has happened to us. I don’t think either one of you should go anywhere! From an outsider point of view: this was just a misunderstanding and I would like you guys to make friends now. Would you do that for me? Please?
Ox is right: THERE IS SO MUCH HEAR FOR ALL OF US.
(((Louise))) and (((freemama)))
Shalom.
Dupey
Ox Drover
Well, I am so hot in all this horrible weather that I am not only MELTING, I AM “RENDERING” and LARD is running down my butt! LOL ROTFLM LARD OFF. Oh, this is awful so I’m gonna go get a glass of ice water and go to my room and lie down and go to sleep if I can, even with the AC running full out, it is still HOT IN HERE!
freemama
Sorry – I meant to say leave the thread. I wasn’t trying to bait anyone into giving me attention. *sigh* I’m 40 and just too darn old for this kind of high drama sometimes. I just come here because there are some very wise people who give a lot of themselves to help others find a way. Like Jerry said – you just gotta take what you need and leave the rest…
Back_from_the_edge
hahahaha Ox!
I know the feeling!
I can’t even go outside without losing 20 lbs! It just melts right away off me! 🙂 It was 114f here today.
Try to keep cool, Ox – tepid showers help lower your core temp.
Don’t over heat and exhaust yourself. Be safe; otay? We loves ya.
Dupey
Hope to heal
Oh my gosh Dupey ~ Love and hugs to you!! I was thinking the same thing. Time out.
Louise? Freemama? Take a deep breath, relax and be friends…. PLEASE???
h2h