Last week found me involved in an unusually high number of conversations about sociopathy. By now I’m no stranger to explaining my own experiences to incredulous people and then patiently answering their questions and putting in to plain words the fact that no, a sociopath will not even begin to know the meaning of the word ”˜sorry’ let alone feel it!
“But surely Mel, I know if I’d done something even remotely as heartless as the person you’ve just described… well, I’d be eaten up with guilt! I couldn’t sleep at night!” they exclaim, eyes wide open and hands held to their face. “Surely deep down they must know they’ve done wrong and feel ashamed?”
Each time I hear that kind of response, I just smile, take a deep breath and prepare to explain in yet another way that no — these people simply don’t have the same responses that we do. They are devoid of conscience and empathy, they don’t feel sorry for the things they do, and in actual fact they don’t ”˜feel’ emotions in the same way we do — period!
And that is where I believe it can be such a challenge for those of us to know to get others to believe what we’re saying. Because, as the French author Anais Nin so eloquently put it “We don’t see things as they are; we see them as we are” And of course it makes perfect sense. We use our own judgment and experiences to make sense of the world around us, and because we have a set of emotions and responses, we expect other human beings to have something similar.
The Looking Glass
This perfectly natural trait of human acceptance is also a response on which con-artists and tricksters depend. They’ll target honest open people who judge others as they judge themselves — and because they wouldn’t dream of deliberately conning another, they can’t comprehend that the person in front of them is anything other than who or what they profess to be. A variation on the old theme of “do as you would be done by” it’s a case of “understand according to your own experiences”. And when you think about it, how can anyone really be expected to understand other than from their own experiences?
It’s like, say, when we’re having a conversation with a friend and they’re explaining something they’ve seen or somewhere they’ve been without us for example. When things don’t quite make sense, we might screw up our face, scratch our chin, and search through our memory banks until we find something in our own experience that seems somewhat similar. Then we can make sense of what they’re saying and we say “ah, yes, now I know what you mean! You’re saying it’s like”¦ blah blah”¦”
A disco mirror-ball invites us to do something similar. The broken up little squares might promise me a new perspective — but when I look in to it the reflection is still always the same. It’s me. How could it be anything else?
I remember when my discovery of the nature of sociopaths suddenly made ghastly sense of what had happened to me. I remember the horror as well as the relief. The burning need to learn more and yet the impossible struggle to grasp that such alien creatures actually live and breath among us – let alone that I was married to one! I just couldn’t get it! It was only after trawling through so many incidents that had left me hurt and bewildered, only after mentally finding a number of examples for each of Dr Hare’s checklist subjects that I could finally let the truth settle.
So, there I was, only truly believing it once I had made sure with my own internal reference points!
It’s Just Not Me!
Blinkered? Foolish? Or just following my natural instinct to see others as we see ourselves? The jury may be out on that one, but I plump for the last option — because I happen to believe it’s the truth.
That’s how we can remain duped for so long. That’s how they can get away with their repetitive and increasingly outrageous bad behaviour. That’s why when they plead and say sorry, we believe that they are — because that’s how we would respond ourselves if we were in their shoes!
And that is why, for those of us who know, it’s such an uphill battle and constant struggle to convince others that what we’re saying is true. That’s why I regularly heard a set of questions that at the time felt like accusations “But if all this was really going on behind your back, how on earth didn’t you notice anything?” “Why didn’t you check more closely?” Because I would never have imagined behaving in that way, that’s why. Because I believed that the love was real. Because I’ve jolly well got values and a solid understanding of right and wrong — that’s why for goodness sakes!
And yes, I know and fully understand all that now, but at the time it was happening I felt that I was being attacked all over again. If somebody didn’t believe me, then surely it meant that I wasn’t worthy of being believed. If another person was so convinced that I should have noticed something, well then perhaps it meant that I was stupid. The shame kicked in, the self-doubt reared inside me, and I’d slink down to hide myself from the humiliation.
But the thing is, though, how could I have expected someone who hadn’t actually been in my place to understand something that I even struggled with myself — and I’d been the one in the firing line!
I can’t go back in time — well, not yet in any case, so far as I know time travel is still something that has yet to be mastered — but if I could I know now that I would have been much better protected against the innocently persistent questions that were thrown at me by well meaning friends and colleagues. They weren’t doubting me — they were just trying to understand something that was so completely out of their sphere of reference, it just didn’t make sense. But at the time, my response was to recoil and shut up. Drawbridge up, shutters down, and don’t say another word.
These days it’s different. These days I have achieved sufficient distance to answer any number of questions calmly and with compassion. I welcome the questions as an opportunity to test my ability to explain. To strengthen my mental flexibility and to deepen my comprehension.
And with each new conversation, I find I’m becoming better equipped to answer and educate — maybe not to the level of the full experiential comprehension that we share here on this site of course; I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. But slowly, surely, I do believe that it’s possible to find ways to help the unsuspecting and incredulous understand and take heed. And I believe that it’s the likes of us, those who’ve been there seen it and got the T-shirt who can become hugely influential in getting the message out there. I realise there’s a long way to go, but the crusade is growing — and I have a feeling in my soul that little by little the worm is turning.
So watch out spaths, psychos and all you other misfits. You can run but you can’t hide for ever, because ready or not we’re coming to get you.
Brilliant blog post Mel, thank you! It is nearly impossible for people with a conscience and empathy to comprehend the degree of cruelty and evil that a sociopath inflicts on other people, all the while saying how much they love them. It is very difficult to understand, and we need to become aware of it, work very hard to understand it, learn from it and teach others what we have learned.
Even though it is very painful when people don’t believe what we are telling them, it does help to remember that we once struggled with it also, that is how we were duped. A sociopath will use the fact that we trust, we love, we care and we want to believe the best about other people, we want to see the good in everyone, they use it to their advantage while they suck the life out of us without a shred of remorse.
Love this post Mel.
After finding out that we encountered a spath, the next hardest part is finding out that nobody believes you or “gets” it. We get re-victimized. Your post will help so many newbies feel that they are heard.
The truth is the spaths are drawn to goodness because it’s what they envy in us. So it will be good, compassionate people who get victimized. That’s why they are well known for using the pity ploy, because it separates the wheat from the chaff.
Good compassionate people see things from the perspective that everyone else is good and compassionate and we take the bait.
Based on that, I’d like to say BEWARE of people who immediately understand what you are talking about when you explain the spaths. Unless they have experienced it before, it’s possible that you are dealing with another toxic person pretending to be empathetic.
Hi Mel~ Just wanted to comment on something you mentioned: “These people don’t FEEL emotions the same way we do”.
Towards the end of my 26 year marriage when I was struggling to understand what drove my husband to have an affair; I kept quizzing him like any “normal” person. I just needed to know what would have drove him into the arms of another woman when I believed we were so happily married.
There were countless intimate dinners of reconciliation that I kept bringing up the conversation and he kept dismissing it. He simply DID NOT believe there was any need to discuss the circumstances. It was his belief we could just pick up and move on now that I knew about the “affair” and; in his mind; should be no further need to discuss it. A “clean slate” if you will.
It took me YEARS to finally get it through my THICK SKULL that he simply couldn’t FEEL MY PAIN. He could not COMPREHEND it.
HE was NOT like ME. His wiring was DIFFERENT.
It was just the other day when I was with my children and they made the comment that I seemed really happy now. I responded that YES, I AM HAPPY; and I believe a large part of that is because I have finally STOPPED trying to ANALYZE the past and just ACCEPT there is no DISECTING CRAZY!!!!
Only on LF!!! Thank you Mel. I guess I’m still in the early stage as far as that goes, telling my story and getting so many questions back so many looks of disbelieve.
They ask “Why didn’t you just leave?”
With SP’s there is no JUST…nothing is that simple. (I did try to leave many times)
I guess I need to step back and think; had I not experienced what I did with SP and someone told me THEIR story about a relationship with an SP I would probably react as they do.
His name is all over the internet with stories of how he scammed people, what a liar he is. One of them suggest to him that he take a good look in the mirror next time he is shaving and understand that it is that man in the mirror who is his worst enemy not all the people he blames. This was written by a guy who worked for him. I sometimes want to print these out and carry them with me when I tell my story. That is another thing I am working on; letting go of what people think; it is what I think and what I know that matters in the end.
It’s a journey….but one that will eventually lead us to a place of self love and peace!!!
Great article Mel, so theraputic!
Adelle
Dear Mel and All….
Great article. Thank you.
I recently met a friend of a friend who had an experience with a Bad Man of her own. I have been meaning to tell her to proceed with caution when telling her story.
In the first 2 years prior to the Bad Man, I dated a man for a short time and I told him some of my story. I was so traumatized back then that I think he was wondering if really, there was something wrong with me. I think I did sound a little crazy back then. And, given the context: new man doesn’t know me, my life was a total shambles at the time, I was very skittish, and I was desperate for people to understand what happened to me… I think his assessment of me wasn’t entirely unfair.
He had to understand me within his own experience and context. The only thing that kept us going out on a few dates is that I introduced him to my NORMAL friends. HAHA!
Anyway, he was no real loss for me.
These days, I tell my story less and less. I am selective about what I share and I do not have the need for everyone to understand what happened to me with the Bad Man.
I do not have the need for people that I know and love to understand it either. Now and then, the universe provides me with someone that gets it. And the best part, I have been given the opportunity to help others and let them know that I “get” them. Very healing for both, I think.
Since the Bad Man, I have been able to help 5 people (old friends, new friends and friends of friends) to understand the problem of exploitive personalities and the damage they do.. and the cognitive errors in us that allowed that… which Mel addresses nicely in this article.
They don’t know that they don’t know.
Thanks Mel.
And thanks all for your sharing… Aloha
Mel: Awesome article. I struggle to explain to others and have even ended a friendship over a “friend’s” attitude about my experience and her suggestions for wrapping up my grieving at a quicker pace. I’m still struggling to understand what happened. Every time I read the word “cruelty” I get a pang of recognition in the pit of my stomach… I’m still accepting how coldly and cruely I allowed myself to be treated. Even though I have a restraining order and haven’t spoken to the ex Spath in many months, I still struggle to accept how abused I allowed myself to be. And I’m madder at myself for allowing it than I am at him for doing it. I was a vulnerable mess when I met him, and he lovebombed the sh*t out of me. I try to remind myself of that. Somedays are easier than others, and I’m not quite as hard on myself.
Skylar: Regarding your comment:
“BEWARE of people who immediately understand what you are talking about when you explain the spaths. Unless they have experienced it before, it’s possible that you are dealing with another toxic person pretending to be empathetic.”
I actually discovered another Spath in my life by asking him if he knew anything about sociopaths when I was describing some of my concerns with my ex. I already suspected this guy was Spathy. He responded he knew “a little bit.” And he had a facial tick at that precise moment. He is not a man afflicted with any ticks that I had previously observed. I took note of it, but didn’t want him to suspect I was “on to him.” Later in the conversation, I asked him how he knew about sociopaths. He went into a tirade about an ex-girlfriend who accused him of being one. I sat there, listening and mentally noting how each statement made him sound more and more spathy! After that, our interactions significantly changed. I’m certain he ‘knows” that I “know” what he is. He’s definitely dropped the mask with me now and treats me with complete disrespect in one on one interactions, which I try to avoid now. I’d go NC with him as well, except he is a supervisor at one of my jobs. I suspect he would be trying to actively hurt me if I wasn’t as well liked by his supervisor as I am. Though, I do suspect he’s trying to convince others at work that I am a loose cannon, as some who work closely with him began treating me differently shortly after that conversation. I can only hope he gets the promotion he’s trying for. He’s all about “career advancement” and he’s super slick and intelligent. His poor wife. I think about her almost daily and hope she somehow finds out what he is. From the comments he makes to others about her, she’s “crazy” and a lazy person. I know better. He’s compared she and I, saying we are a lot alike. I worry about her and what he’s doing to her… She looks so sad and stressed every time I see her. Effing Spaths!
Dear Mel,
SUPER GOOD ARTICLE!!! Yes, it is difficult to get people to understand or believe what we have been through, and many times they do think we are crazy….
Aloha, I definitely know what you mean about NEEDING, WANTING so bad to have people believe me, validate what happened to me, even while it was happening. My therapist thought I was crazy! a paranoid nut job, until I took in documents and court evidence as well as a sane son to validate what I was telling the therapist.. LOL I can laugh about it now.
Like you, I am selective now who I talk to about it, but at the same time I am no longer hiding behind half truths and lies of my own…it is NOT my shame and I will not own it as mine. If someone asks me about my kids I tell them the truth. I no longer lie or tell half truths about my psychopathic son. He is in prison for murder and he is guilty instead of saying “oh, he lives in Texas, and works for the State of Texas< and no he doesn't get home to visit very often" (let's see, not since 1991 when he came home to gloat when he got out of prison after the first two years, right before he went back for murder in January 1992.)
That is a great article! And, sums up how I have been feeling about my b/f. The lies and betrayal are starting to all come together, but I never thought it possible that someone you love and says they love you was capable of malicious intent! It just seems like a waste of time..in the grand scheme of what most people want out of a relationship, so I kept overlooking redflags because I wanted IT to be what I wanted IT to be.
Thanks for sharing
Mel, great article!
LPMarie, I can so relate to what you are saying and I believe that many of my current struggles may be associated with not forgiving myself…..both as an individual and as a mother who choose a completely inadequate father for my son.
Also have the problem with sharing things with people and I think that even “close” friends are wondering if it’s me who has the mental health issues and not my ex. Am grateful that my sweet cat loves me no matter what! 🙂
~New
Thanks Mel for saying what was in the back of my head.
You always have such a way of centering in on the issues as they currently are. It is more appreciated than you will ever know.
It will be 8 months NC soon and I wanted to tell you all what it is like: it took a while to overcome the ‘panic’ that my ‘fix’ wasn’t there anymore. For ten years that is what he was: ‘my fix’. When he couldn’t be around me, he was always with me on text or messenger, 24/7. When I went NC with “IT” almost 8 months ago now, it was like I was on a never ending free fall inside my head and body. It has taken a long time coming down from the ‘adrenalin rush’ that was left with me. I have felt it changing and trying to go back to normal and I have come a very long ways. I am not ashamed to stand up and say: “Hey, I have been in therapy and coming down from something that someone else had done to me with malicious intent. I am reborn and reawakened and I have taken my stand.”
It is difficult to speak to those around us about our issue because we suddenly become ‘labeled’ and almost as if we have some sort of ‘pox’ on us and ‘nobody wants to get involved’…blah blah blah…that is why Love Fraud is so important. To a lot of us, a vital link and pathway to self realization and understanding of the problem that has befallen us and our lives; the complexities are so many and varied.
A counselor once asked me: “What is the one thing you want the most?” Without hesitation, I responded: “TO BE HEARD”. This is the only place I know of where you are heard and understood. We speak the same language here. A pretty much ‘unspoken’ language, at this current moment but with people such as Donna, Fishead-The Movie and their producers, and so many more – too many to mention, perhaps a light will be shed upon this type of mental illness. Perhaps if we reach out and try to make ourselves heard, we will be listened to and things will change.
If it is horrid for us, I wonder what it is like for them?
To never have a point to their lives. Such a huge void to fill.
Me and my whole body feels like I just stepped off a long long motorcycle ride…the body all vibrating and kind of disoriented…yah, just like that. But it’s calming down now. I am starting to ‘ground’ in the peace.
*Hugs to you all*
Dupey