Last week found me involved in an unusually high number of conversations about sociopathy. By now I’m no stranger to explaining my own experiences to incredulous people and then patiently answering their questions and putting in to plain words the fact that no, a sociopath will not even begin to know the meaning of the word ”˜sorry’ let alone feel it!
“But surely Mel, I know if I’d done something even remotely as heartless as the person you’ve just described… well, I’d be eaten up with guilt! I couldn’t sleep at night!” they exclaim, eyes wide open and hands held to their face. “Surely deep down they must know they’ve done wrong and feel ashamed?”
Each time I hear that kind of response, I just smile, take a deep breath and prepare to explain in yet another way that no — these people simply don’t have the same responses that we do. They are devoid of conscience and empathy, they don’t feel sorry for the things they do, and in actual fact they don’t ”˜feel’ emotions in the same way we do — period!
And that is where I believe it can be such a challenge for those of us to know to get others to believe what we’re saying. Because, as the French author Anais Nin so eloquently put it “We don’t see things as they are; we see them as we are” And of course it makes perfect sense. We use our own judgment and experiences to make sense of the world around us, and because we have a set of emotions and responses, we expect other human beings to have something similar.
The Looking Glass
This perfectly natural trait of human acceptance is also a response on which con-artists and tricksters depend. They’ll target honest open people who judge others as they judge themselves — and because they wouldn’t dream of deliberately conning another, they can’t comprehend that the person in front of them is anything other than who or what they profess to be. A variation on the old theme of “do as you would be done by” it’s a case of “understand according to your own experiences”. And when you think about it, how can anyone really be expected to understand other than from their own experiences?
It’s like, say, when we’re having a conversation with a friend and they’re explaining something they’ve seen or somewhere they’ve been without us for example. When things don’t quite make sense, we might screw up our face, scratch our chin, and search through our memory banks until we find something in our own experience that seems somewhat similar. Then we can make sense of what they’re saying and we say “ah, yes, now I know what you mean! You’re saying it’s like”¦ blah blah”¦”
A disco mirror-ball invites us to do something similar. The broken up little squares might promise me a new perspective — but when I look in to it the reflection is still always the same. It’s me. How could it be anything else?
I remember when my discovery of the nature of sociopaths suddenly made ghastly sense of what had happened to me. I remember the horror as well as the relief. The burning need to learn more and yet the impossible struggle to grasp that such alien creatures actually live and breath among us – let alone that I was married to one! I just couldn’t get it! It was only after trawling through so many incidents that had left me hurt and bewildered, only after mentally finding a number of examples for each of Dr Hare’s checklist subjects that I could finally let the truth settle.
So, there I was, only truly believing it once I had made sure with my own internal reference points!
It’s Just Not Me!
Blinkered? Foolish? Or just following my natural instinct to see others as we see ourselves? The jury may be out on that one, but I plump for the last option — because I happen to believe it’s the truth.
That’s how we can remain duped for so long. That’s how they can get away with their repetitive and increasingly outrageous bad behaviour. That’s why when they plead and say sorry, we believe that they are — because that’s how we would respond ourselves if we were in their shoes!
And that is why, for those of us who know, it’s such an uphill battle and constant struggle to convince others that what we’re saying is true. That’s why I regularly heard a set of questions that at the time felt like accusations “But if all this was really going on behind your back, how on earth didn’t you notice anything?” “Why didn’t you check more closely?” Because I would never have imagined behaving in that way, that’s why. Because I believed that the love was real. Because I’ve jolly well got values and a solid understanding of right and wrong — that’s why for goodness sakes!
And yes, I know and fully understand all that now, but at the time it was happening I felt that I was being attacked all over again. If somebody didn’t believe me, then surely it meant that I wasn’t worthy of being believed. If another person was so convinced that I should have noticed something, well then perhaps it meant that I was stupid. The shame kicked in, the self-doubt reared inside me, and I’d slink down to hide myself from the humiliation.
But the thing is, though, how could I have expected someone who hadn’t actually been in my place to understand something that I even struggled with myself — and I’d been the one in the firing line!
I can’t go back in time — well, not yet in any case, so far as I know time travel is still something that has yet to be mastered — but if I could I know now that I would have been much better protected against the innocently persistent questions that were thrown at me by well meaning friends and colleagues. They weren’t doubting me — they were just trying to understand something that was so completely out of their sphere of reference, it just didn’t make sense. But at the time, my response was to recoil and shut up. Drawbridge up, shutters down, and don’t say another word.
These days it’s different. These days I have achieved sufficient distance to answer any number of questions calmly and with compassion. I welcome the questions as an opportunity to test my ability to explain. To strengthen my mental flexibility and to deepen my comprehension.
And with each new conversation, I find I’m becoming better equipped to answer and educate — maybe not to the level of the full experiential comprehension that we share here on this site of course; I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. But slowly, surely, I do believe that it’s possible to find ways to help the unsuspecting and incredulous understand and take heed. And I believe that it’s the likes of us, those who’ve been there seen it and got the T-shirt who can become hugely influential in getting the message out there. I realise there’s a long way to go, but the crusade is growing — and I have a feeling in my soul that little by little the worm is turning.
So watch out spaths, psychos and all you other misfits. You can run but you can’t hide for ever, because ready or not we’re coming to get you.
Another brilliant submission, Mel.
I remember when my ex called me to tell me he had been caught red handed….where one woman busted him with another….this was AFTER our marriage….yes, he was still calling me to tell me his woes and at the time, I was still listening….and caring. Sigh.
The first thing I want to point out to all of you who think that sociopaths go on to become these perfect loving partners to the next poor sucker who thinks they can’t believe their luck in meeting this charmer…they DON’T…..they continue to do the SAME things to others to they did to us, BECAUSE they are HARD WIRED that way and they CANNOT do anything different.
The second thing I wanted to say was that in his state of emotion….over his own loss…not because of what he had done to two unsuspecting women…..he wrote these exact words, “I knew what I was doing was wrong, but I didn’t care because I couldn’t feel it.” So there you have it, THAT in one sentence, basically sums up how these people think.
Peace Sisters.
Thanks NoContactRules for the support.
I know exactly what you are saying.
All the red flags have suddenly become flashing neon lights!
They will never have a normal relationship because they ARE NOT wired that way. You are absolutely right. I know that is a very hard pill to swallow, but it is so true.
Yes, they can’t ‘feel’ the same things we do.
It is sad, very sad, but not worth sacrificing your life over.
Let it fall to the wayside of life in importance.
The blame-shifting and manipulation and all that ugliness only eventually ends up going right back to the start where I decided to get it out of my life in the first place.
NC is the only way to go folks.
Unless you want to get sucked back into that perpetual black hole of doubt and madness. I KNOW. I am never going back there. Never. There are more than oceans between us!
Dupey
I agree with all the above statements. I’ll be very direct, I know what the spath is. I thought I was beyond needing closure…I thought I had accepted the reality. The truth is I have. skylar has really summed it up for me a thousand times.
What concerns me about this is what triggered me.. to “be the good guy”. i mean WTF!!
I’ve felt so much shame and guilt since that text that it is not normal. i’m not dwelling just stating my emotions.
the bottom line boils down to the fact that i believe in some way he is ‘in my mind” linked to my mom. I need to come to terms with this relationship once and for all. two separate topics and relationships..however the mental anguish seems identical.
Things have been very volitile between my mother and i since December..I have stood my ground…It’s as if i was making decisions, coming to terms with something, than got lost. Was triggered to find peace by the spath as I know the struggle with my Mom is just beginning. Perhaphs her recent abuse has triggered me. Old habits die hard. i’m to old for this shit.
i love my Mom but she is just as dangerouse to me as the spath. i have considered slowly going NC with respectful boundaries. I have tried. communicating with her feels like the same turmoil I endured with the spath minus the physical abuse.
I need to put some seriouse thought into this. The relationship I have with my mom cannot and will not continue. there must on some psychological level be some corrolation that I met the spath at the time my mom re-emerged into my life. Its time for Coping to grow up and deal with this. I’ve already noticied the minor damage she has begun to do to Jr…i can’t and will not permit this anymore. time to stand strong.
Damn…I’m sick of all this crap.
Dear Coping,
I am NC with my egg donor as well…and I understand your reluctance to go NC totally with your mom, but sometimes there are people who will not respect our boundaries and moms and dads seem to be the worst about that. They continue to see us as children to be controlled or manipulated.
I made my decision a few years back and have been pretty much NC with her since then. I have to have some contact with her and except for once when I slid off the NC wagon, I keep it mostly to e mail and business only.
The old turmoil is more than I could continue to bear either. That and gaslighting and lying is more than I could bear. She also was involved with my Juniors and she supports and still does, my psychopathic son Patrick and lies to the rest of my sons, and you know, I am done with it. Done with liars, manipulators etc. no matter what the relationship of blood is.
:”Love” is not a “squishy feeling” it is an ACTION VERB—it is how you treat someone.
Thank Ox-
Action verb. Another one I need to remember. It still hurts…but I think the time has come. My life is no longer about me..or the spath…it is about jr. And god help me I will do everything I can to ensure i can give him a happy life.
I don’t wish my mother harm and would like her to be a great grandmother…however I can’t allow her to belittle, insult or hurt me in front of jr. Or try to buy his love. Christmas was horrible. Every gift she bought him had to stay at her house for leverage. In fact she actually kept half his clothing (I did his laundry there)…than told me … “Coping you are full of shit, I don’t have his clothing” it cost me $250 just to buy new pajamas and other essentials to get by. Than she gave me a $300 gift certificate to get my hair done. ..It reminded me of when I was a kid and she refused to buy me tampons or toothpaste…but than gave me perfume.
No more. I used to think I can take it because Jr. likes spending time with her. Well if she has no rules, does not respect parenting and cannot be left alone with him I can’t have this in my direct life.
Coping,
Youu know, I think you summed up pretty welll what your mother is when you said “she wouldn’t buy me tampons or toothpaste but would buy me perfume.”
That and her CONTROL by keeping half his clothes and keeping the “gifts” there at her house….
What is the “value” of Jr. spending time with a person who is this controlling? He may not realize she is TOXIC but you obviously do, and if she is that way with you, can you expect her to be different with Junior? I don’t think so.
My advice for what it is worth, though you must make the decisions, is Just get her out of your life and Junior’s.
Hello everyone! Here is an update on my court date last Wed.
So, I took the latest pic I found online to the DA’s office the morning of the Trial, we walked into the Courtroom and his attorney was there… she gave me this nasty look! (Witch)… she talked to the City Attorney about my case, the witch got on the phone and Jerk face didn’t show up (might have been her strategy since she didn’t know I was going to be there and why I was there… She kept telling the city attorney that all were just allegations, so she was given a copy of the police reports, witness statements, pics, logs, etc that I had gotten for them and she was furious. So both attorneys and judge went to the chambers to discuss the case and when they came out, his attorney was not happy… her dog looking face was dog looking. Anyhow, the judge is ORDERING him to show up to court on Feb 8th as he is not happy with his behavior.
I had mixed emotions, I didn’t like the idea of having to wait another 3 weeks before the issue of the pics was addressed… but I was happy that the judge was acknowledging that his behavior is annoying (towards me) and therefore in violation of the court order, YAY! — He said he needs to be present to be reprimanded.
I was also provided with victims of crime information and benefits, including relocation expenses and counseling, great!
Last night I met with the human trafficking department at church and they referred my case to a detective that knows someone that knows someone that could remove the pics and possible shut down his account. Praise God!
Well, I dont know which one did the trick, if it was that unknown someone or the attorney that had jerk face remove the pics but nothing can be found online anymore… I really don’t care bc its already documented what he did and regardless he has it coming.
I will finally be able to sleep tonight!
Ox,
I know. the time has come. it makes me sad. It’s time.
You know how much I dislike talking about my mom or my childhood…but this is not about that.
This is about Jr. I’ve done all a reasonable person can do.
She scares the shit out of me. Skylar once told me love and fear can not coexist. I believe she is right.
Ox..I honestly believe that as much as she despises the spath she would actually work with him if I actually crossed her.
C’est la vie. I will not live like this this. jr. will not be exposed to this. My mothers bizarre concerns about me dying and “what would happen to Jr.” have reached the limits.
I just can’t do it. It’s not fair to me or Jr.
She can react any way she chooses.
Thanks Ox- mom is always a tough subject. You would think by 50+ she would be ok… i guess some things dont change.
This will be so hard..but I know what I must do…it’s still very sad.
Dear Alina,
Praise God! Indeed!!! I am glad that you were put in contact with victims services, in some places these are great! I was greatly helped by the victim’s services lady with information (which was all I needed from her) but she was GREAT! Caring as well!
Get some counseling it if is available too. Glad you got the pictures removed from the internet and that he will have to come in. So what if his attorney is upset? Maybe because HE LIED TO HER TOO? So she ended up looking like a fool to the judge and lawyers don’t like that. Rule #1: NEVER lie to your attorney–Oops, I don’t think arsehole remembered that rule! Oh, well…see him in court!
Sleep well tonight and don’t worry, you will again have the LoveFraud MOB behind you in court!@....... Be strong! You are not alone!
Coping,
I was over 60 years old when I finally had enough of the gaslighting, control, shaming, and so on from my egg donor. I don’t call her “mom” because that term has to be EARNED and I realized she had never been a “mom” to me….NEVER—and so I took back the term of endearment, she just donated the egg for me,, my DNA, my grandmother was my “mother figure” if I had one, and not my egg donor. I never remember sitting in her lap, or being held or hugged or kissed or having her there for me. I only know that by 5-6 years old I was scared of God who could read my mind and would zap me into hell if I died with a single sin on my conscience.
I finally realized that God is a loving father, not some mean old man out to burn folks in hell, and that I am OK even if I am not perfect. In fact, I’m more than OK.
I realized that I don’t want someone like her in my life. I tried all my life to please her but never could get that down. Fortunately I did have some people in my life that loved me, liked me, and even approved of me, my grandmother and my stepfather, and my grandfathers so I guess I was fortunate. But I know one thing, I feel so much better with my egg donor out of my life, not seeing her every day and no longer caring a flip what she thinks about me.
If you can, make sure that your mother NEVER GETS YOUR CHILD IF God forbid something does happen to you. He’d be better off in foster care than with a psychopath and she sounds like one to me. IN fact, that may be why you fell for the P in the first place. Just give your Junior plenty of love and hugs and keep him away from that witch is my opinion. Sure, I know it is hard to realize that someone you loved and thought loved you is not a LOVING PERSON…love is an action verb, it is how someone treats you. If they treat you poorly then regardless of what they SAY it AIN’T LOVE BABY! That just cracked me up, wouldn’t buy you tampons or toothpaste but would buy you perfume. How fractured is that? CRAZY!