Last week found me involved in an unusually high number of conversations about sociopathy. By now I’m no stranger to explaining my own experiences to incredulous people and then patiently answering their questions and putting in to plain words the fact that no, a sociopath will not even begin to know the meaning of the word ”˜sorry’ let alone feel it!
“But surely Mel, I know if I’d done something even remotely as heartless as the person you’ve just described… well, I’d be eaten up with guilt! I couldn’t sleep at night!” they exclaim, eyes wide open and hands held to their face. “Surely deep down they must know they’ve done wrong and feel ashamed?”
Each time I hear that kind of response, I just smile, take a deep breath and prepare to explain in yet another way that no — these people simply don’t have the same responses that we do. They are devoid of conscience and empathy, they don’t feel sorry for the things they do, and in actual fact they don’t ”˜feel’ emotions in the same way we do — period!
And that is where I believe it can be such a challenge for those of us to know to get others to believe what we’re saying. Because, as the French author Anais Nin so eloquently put it “We don’t see things as they are; we see them as we are” And of course it makes perfect sense. We use our own judgment and experiences to make sense of the world around us, and because we have a set of emotions and responses, we expect other human beings to have something similar.
The Looking Glass
This perfectly natural trait of human acceptance is also a response on which con-artists and tricksters depend. They’ll target honest open people who judge others as they judge themselves — and because they wouldn’t dream of deliberately conning another, they can’t comprehend that the person in front of them is anything other than who or what they profess to be. A variation on the old theme of “do as you would be done by” it’s a case of “understand according to your own experiences”. And when you think about it, how can anyone really be expected to understand other than from their own experiences?
It’s like, say, when we’re having a conversation with a friend and they’re explaining something they’ve seen or somewhere they’ve been without us for example. When things don’t quite make sense, we might screw up our face, scratch our chin, and search through our memory banks until we find something in our own experience that seems somewhat similar. Then we can make sense of what they’re saying and we say “ah, yes, now I know what you mean! You’re saying it’s like”¦ blah blah”¦”
A disco mirror-ball invites us to do something similar. The broken up little squares might promise me a new perspective — but when I look in to it the reflection is still always the same. It’s me. How could it be anything else?
I remember when my discovery of the nature of sociopaths suddenly made ghastly sense of what had happened to me. I remember the horror as well as the relief. The burning need to learn more and yet the impossible struggle to grasp that such alien creatures actually live and breath among us – let alone that I was married to one! I just couldn’t get it! It was only after trawling through so many incidents that had left me hurt and bewildered, only after mentally finding a number of examples for each of Dr Hare’s checklist subjects that I could finally let the truth settle.
So, there I was, only truly believing it once I had made sure with my own internal reference points!
It’s Just Not Me!
Blinkered? Foolish? Or just following my natural instinct to see others as we see ourselves? The jury may be out on that one, but I plump for the last option — because I happen to believe it’s the truth.
That’s how we can remain duped for so long. That’s how they can get away with their repetitive and increasingly outrageous bad behaviour. That’s why when they plead and say sorry, we believe that they are — because that’s how we would respond ourselves if we were in their shoes!
And that is why, for those of us who know, it’s such an uphill battle and constant struggle to convince others that what we’re saying is true. That’s why I regularly heard a set of questions that at the time felt like accusations “But if all this was really going on behind your back, how on earth didn’t you notice anything?” “Why didn’t you check more closely?” Because I would never have imagined behaving in that way, that’s why. Because I believed that the love was real. Because I’ve jolly well got values and a solid understanding of right and wrong — that’s why for goodness sakes!
And yes, I know and fully understand all that now, but at the time it was happening I felt that I was being attacked all over again. If somebody didn’t believe me, then surely it meant that I wasn’t worthy of being believed. If another person was so convinced that I should have noticed something, well then perhaps it meant that I was stupid. The shame kicked in, the self-doubt reared inside me, and I’d slink down to hide myself from the humiliation.
But the thing is, though, how could I have expected someone who hadn’t actually been in my place to understand something that I even struggled with myself — and I’d been the one in the firing line!
I can’t go back in time — well, not yet in any case, so far as I know time travel is still something that has yet to be mastered — but if I could I know now that I would have been much better protected against the innocently persistent questions that were thrown at me by well meaning friends and colleagues. They weren’t doubting me — they were just trying to understand something that was so completely out of their sphere of reference, it just didn’t make sense. But at the time, my response was to recoil and shut up. Drawbridge up, shutters down, and don’t say another word.
These days it’s different. These days I have achieved sufficient distance to answer any number of questions calmly and with compassion. I welcome the questions as an opportunity to test my ability to explain. To strengthen my mental flexibility and to deepen my comprehension.
And with each new conversation, I find I’m becoming better equipped to answer and educate — maybe not to the level of the full experiential comprehension that we share here on this site of course; I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. But slowly, surely, I do believe that it’s possible to find ways to help the unsuspecting and incredulous understand and take heed. And I believe that it’s the likes of us, those who’ve been there seen it and got the T-shirt who can become hugely influential in getting the message out there. I realise there’s a long way to go, but the crusade is growing — and I have a feeling in my soul that little by little the worm is turning.
So watch out spaths, psychos and all you other misfits. You can run but you can’t hide for ever, because ready or not we’re coming to get you.
The sociopath keeps you on the hook for so long because they’re believeable story tellers in order to further their agendas. The irony of being married to one as I was for a decade, you keep wanting to believe them. Because you’ve invested your heart and love in them, you don’t want to believe your own judgment is tainted. Sociopaths prey on the emotionally vulnerable. They can sense your vulnerability and work on your soft tissue. They offer you hope with their words. You wait and wait and wait for results that never come. If I had it to do over again, I wouldn’t have waited so long to walk away.
Likewise here. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Great concise post, smart…
Thanks for that validation, today…
“If I had it to do over again, I wouldn’t have waited so long to walk away.”
That truly IS the truth.
Dupey
Hi,
I found lovefraud a few months back. Wow! is all I can say..I have been involved in the world of a s-path since January 1994. I married him & we have a teenage daughter together. Thank you for making me realize I’m not crazy or stupid or crazy.
My spath has finally started to stumble and all the people who believed his lies about ME being the horrible mother etc., have finally seen the light and are lining up to be my witnesses at our next hearing. Restriction of visitation.
Its not an easy path trying to convince family court judges that people without empathy or conscience really do exist in this world. Document, document, document.
Been there done that got the T-shirt.
Take Care,
Dear Donna,
Welcome to LoveFraud and glad you found your way here so that you do know you are NOT crazy etc. Thank you for posting. I’m also glad that you have found support here. Again, welcome, and thank for the post.
Dupey,
So I am incredibly behind the power curve here, and missed your post last week. I read it today and it was much needed for me! Very inspiring. Your daughter has been through HELL and is still able to find gratitude in her life. What a lesson to us all.
She is so wise. What we think is what we will see. If we think only ugly, we will see only ugly. May be why I’ve been so miserable lately. I needed to see this today. You raised a great woman! I loved what you had to say about that moment being the culmination of ‘motherhood.’ It’s through becoming a mother that I am starting to heal. I want to give my child the kind of upbringing that will enable her to develop the kind of character your daughter possesses! Thank you for sharing this with our community. I hope you do get to see her and give her a great big hug!!!
Thanks LP for your kind words. xxoo
Thank you DNM for sharing your daughter’s incredible story. She is an inspiration and has overcome for sure. Makes one really think and appreciate the blessings that we are given. Proud Mom:) I hope that you get to see her sometime soon. Take Care.
I loved Mel’s “Seeing Things The Way We Are” hit the nail on the head!” So well put! I went to counseling to get help and understanding after ending a one year marriage to a Spath. I was told immediately that he was a sociopath. I looked it up and luckily found LF. I told my sister what I was dealing with and she said, “I don’t believe that!” I said,”You don’t have to-but I do.” It is hard to believe even after you have experienced it. Thanks for the insight:)
Truebeliever,
Your sister didn’t believe!
I am reading a book on anthropology. There is an interesting little example about how our beliefs about reality can allow or prevent us from understanding other cultures. This can make ALL THE DIFFERENCE in the outcome.
When the Spaniards invaded the Aztecs, the Aztecs had been in the middle of centuries of “flower wars”. These wars were not meant to kill other tribes, but instead were a source of sacrificial victims. The Aztecs didn’t try to kill their enemies, they had to be captured alive so they could be killed on the pyramids later. Cortez knew this.
He walked in with a few hundred men and slaughtered the Aztecs on the battlefield. It was a completely different motivation. The Aztecs didn’t understand, they didn’t “get” it. WHO DOES THAT? The Aztecs couldn’t change their tactics, that made no sense to them to kill on the battlefield. Only by sacrificing the victims on the pyramid, could they insure that the sun would rise again the next day. Why would they kill people without a reason?
So it is with us. We don’t believe anyone could act so unreasonably as the spaths do. That is why they get away with what they do: because it makes no sense.
While we continue to believe what we have always believed we are vulnerable. We need to understand that there are others who do not think how we do. They have other motives and other beliefs. These motives and beliefs seem CRAZY to us. They do not reflect our values. None the less, the spaths know our beliefs and our values so they use that knowledge against us. When we can finally “get” what they want, we will be safe from their attacks.
They want our emotions. crazy. Who does that?
Experience share: Most of you know I have been NC with “IT” for almost 9 months. I broke NC yesterday and I did so because there were still some things left unsaid. Things we both needed to know and hear. I do know I was extremely ‘harsh’ but not at all vulgar, uncaring nor demanding or threatening. Just ‘complacent’. I never thought I would ever feel that way about “IT”. Just nothing….
I saw, over the course of our conversation, that absolutely NOTHING has changed. Not one iota. Sure, I heard the pretty: “I love you and miss you so much’s”; but the majority of it was pigeon excrement. NOTHING has changed. I was not verbally ABUSED this time, however, which was quite a change from all the previous years. The psychological abuse was very prominent throughout the whole conversation.
I said, in another post, somewhere, that I needed to hear and see with my own ears and eyes, that this far down the road, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Not one thing. All the red flags became FLASHING NEON LIGHTS to me after having gone back to witness the dysfunction after almost 9 months of not speaking to “IT”. “IT” had absolutely NO compassion, still, and I could hear it in what was being said and how it was being said.
NC is the ONLY way to deal with this. The minute you give them an inch, they take a mile. WE ARE EXTREMELY VULNERABLE and the communication gave me a sense of relief. It was like ‘releasing the pressure valve’ for “IT” and for me, too.
The conversation ended like being pushed from a cliff.
As soon as I started saying the things I had to say, I was cut off and then “IT” disappeared for the remainder of the day. It was a long ‘text’ message…he was devastated that the love bombing didn’t work. Hmm…wonder what happened to the spell? It’s not working anymore?
In fact, his words, to me were: “I am glad I could come back into your life to spark your love for me up all over again…” I replied: “You sure about that? Tread lightly.”
These are unstable, mentally ill people. Although we are taught to feel and have compassion for them, I DO liken them to the bottom dweller fish on the floor of the ocean! I know you have seen them, I am not sure their proper name, but they live on the bottom of the ocean and they have HUGE mouths and they scurry along and suck in everything in their path: rocks, plants, shells…everything. Once they suck it all in, they expel all of the things they can’t digest and retain the things they can. That is how a psychopath lives. Like a shark has a natural instinct to kill. That can’t change. It is an ingrained part of their response system. Sure, we can ‘feel sorry’ for them but don’t let THEM know!!!!!!!!!!!! And, at what point do you STOP feeling sorry for them? Because we stop feeling sorry for them, OUT OF SHEER SURVIVAL, on our behalf, does that make us BAD PEOPLE TOO?!
No. It does not. We are doing that inherent thing called SURVIVING or trying to anyways. For us, conscious plays a HUGE ROLE in our survival. For spaths, it does not.
I learned a great deal from that breaking NC. I wouldn’t advise everyone to do it because most of your spaths are like live, up close and personal around you…I am fortunate that mine is like 12 hours from me on a good day…..I still wouldn’t be surprised to see it show up on my door step sometime over the weekend. ANY contact is like giving them a FREE PASS with or without your consent or approval. Just the mere fact you spoke with them gives them pleasure and the right to barge in.
I AM sorry things are like they are for this sick person.
I don’t want to burn him at the stake or lock him in an insane asylum, I don’t want to hurt him, contrary to him always wanting and trying to hurt me….and that was said too. I say prayers for him all the time and mean them. But then, I say prayers for myself too.
Even though I know they don’t hear what we say, that’s alright, I got the ‘right target listener’ and the words were there: they were said. All of them. I left NO VOWEL out. Trust me.
I paid attention as to ‘how’ I was reacting to him and the things he was saying to me and how he was handling the situation and while ‘going back’ didn’t open old wounds or create any new ones, what I did see has only given me further resolve that although I used to love the person, and I care, I don’t want this lifestyle around me any longer. One of my exact quotes was:
“I am not going to be your whore any longer.” To which he replied: “You are not a whore to me, although I know I am to you now.” I did not respond. The majority of the conversation was hyper rude ‘all about me’ stuff…with a lot of love bombing and gas lighting being thrown at me…nope…so sorry….
I HAVE A LIFE, I told “IT”.
“Let me see you; let me see you…” Oh sure, so MY HEAD can end up in the freezer? I don’t think so.
ADVICE: If any of you listening out there has a spath that is somewhat prone to violence: be it stuff you have seen, heard, feel….get away from them. They are unstable and not to be trusted completely. I know firsthand, how chilling that love bombing can be and that is like the final stone in the garden path….we have a tendency to SEE IT and put it aside because we want to believe GOOD THINGS and although WE KNOW the good things should be there, they arent. When you see that, GET AWAY. Don’t wait. If you wait, you are only prolonging the inevitable. If you see it, “STEP AWAY FROM THE SPATH”.
Breaking NC for me yesterday cemented my resolve.
I HAD to see it again after learning all I have. I HAD TO.
The small ‘taste’ was enough for me. I am not ‘caregiver’ material….”IT” needs a caregiver.
This morning my eyes are seeing a lot of different things.
We will be fine. Every single one of us, if we just want to be and realize what this has really been all about: mental illness.
I don’t look at that as an excuse for bad behavior, but I think that is what makes this so difficult for most of us, because we have loved and cared about this person and they have betrayed the most precious thing we have to offer anyone: our trust. They not only devoured our trust but they then urinated on it AND did a salsa dance on it.
We need to be honest with ourselves and accepting that these are sick people. Some different degrees than others, some more dangerous than others (which is my spath), some very shy and quiet and reserved, but none the less, dangerous in their own right. The spath experience is as different as the spaths themselves.
Okay, I will be quiet now. I am not sorry I broke NC. In fact, I think it helped me and I am all for anything that helps me not feel so terrible about all this. I told him nothing but the truth; all of it. It left him speechless when I was done. Life moves on.
It has to.
Happy Friday everyone!
TGIF!!!!! 🙂