Many women have written to Lovefraud about husbands who they’ve come to believe are sociopaths. They were astounded to discover that, not only was the husband cheating, but he was having sex with men.
Lovefraud reader eyeswideshut writes about this in a recent comment to the post, After he’s gone: looking at the sociopath through open eyes. She asks:
Now that I know he is also gay, is sociopathic tendency in married gay men not common as well? When I read the stories of the women in the book (“Straight Wives”), many of the men sound like sociopaths as well. Have you studied this phenomenon? Is it possible that gay men who choose to live the lie of married life are likely also socios?
To this, another Lovefraud reader, Leslie, commented:
On the third extended date I had with the SP, I turned to him one night, after we’d been together, and said, “Have you been with men?” Something in the way he’d made love made me think he had. He stared at the window and said in a monotone, “I have never made love to a man.” It was the same monotone he used to deny that he was living with a woman when I asked him that a year later. He was. I don’t have hard proof, but I know the guy had had sex with men.
Then alohatraveler commented:
I have heard from another victim of my sociopath that he was starting to get more “experimental” when she knew him. She knew him after me. He was expressing an interest in having sex with a man, but of course, with a woman present, because he was “not gay.” We both also saw an ad that he posted looking for sex with a transsexual. Then he placed an ad where he wanted a traditional type of woman.
“Not a gay bone in my body”
Shortly after I met my sociopathic ex-husband, James Montgomery, he proclaimed to me, “There’s not a gay bone in my body.” I had no reason to doubt him. But when I left him after two-and-a-half years, I learned a lot about his sexual activities:
- He had sex with at least six other women during our relationship.
- He was heavily into Internet porn.
- He solicited gay male prostitutes.
- He tried to arrange threesomes and looked for swinging couples.
In short, he wanted sexual thrills. The more different kinds of thrills, the better. I’m lucky I didn’t get a serious disease.
Screw anyone
Sociopaths are hard-wired for sex. They have an excessive need for stimulation, excitement and sensation. They also have no fear and no inhibitions. From a sexual perspective, that means a voracious appetite and anything goes.
Dr. Liane Leedom writes that sociopaths only want two things. One of them is power. The other is sex.
So when it comes to sexual orientation, I believe sociopaths are neither straight nor gay. In short, they’ll screw anyone.
Lovefraud has heard from gay individuals—men and women—who were involved in gay relationships with sociopaths. I asked several of them if they thought the sociopath was actually gay. They all agreed with my theory and said the sociopath was not gay.
Sex with an agenda
This does not mean, however, that sociopaths are out of control. On the contrary, to them, sex, and sexual orientation, is just something to be used in order to achieve their objective, whatever that is.
Perhaps the most egregious example of this is the case of James McGreevey, the former governor of New Jersey. McGreevey, you may recall, resigned from office after proclaiming in a news conference that he was a “gay American.”
The truth was that his political career was imploding under a series of scandals. As I wrote in a review of the book written by McGreevey’s wife, I believe the former governor played the gay card because it was the best way to spin his political collapse.
Sociopaths use people for sex, and use sex to get what they want. Anybody who suits their agenda will do.
If it suits their agenda to be married with children, then that’s what they’ll do. But if sociopaths indulge in same-sex relationships, in my opinion, it’s because they’re sociopaths, not gay.
i feel like now – everything he thought of me, i am becoming (ugly, pimple skin(i didnt have pimples) yellow teeth, i didnt have yellow teeth – my teeth or white, i stay in the dentist) – I would go to the gym faithfullly b/4 and when i knew him
bleach my teeth b/4 and when i knew him. Now i feel like that boost he gave me to do this stuff (at higher rates) its dead all the way around. i have no desire for anything. i feel like that light he lit in my eyes – are gone = it was like he jump started me.
at least ur S’s made u feel good about yourselves – mine didnt, i always felt like i had something to prove when i was with him (i always felt like i was in competition mode) since as he always told me “i am used to dating model chicks” not chicks that look like you” “i am used to dating women in the entertainment industry, or doctors n lawyers” not nobody like u.
i guess i felt priveledged that he took me on since i was his ugly poor duckling,,,that he mentally f###K and financially f###k
hedidntbreakme: No….they don’t make you feel good about yourself. That’s standard brainwashing treatment by the P’s….devalue you and put you into chronic competition. To break you……[mine did the same thing…it’s their MO]
Listen: if he’s got some woman/women on his FB….it’s for a purpose….he cares nothing for them.
Do things that lift YOUR self esteem…no matter how small. You’ve got to save yourself…because these people will destroy you and move on to the next victim.
“HE SPAT IN MY FACE! with a dead look in his eyes.”
I cannot even express how infuriated I became when I read this.
Spitting on another human being should be classified as a hate crime, as far as I am concerned.
There is no place for that in today’s society, and I cannot believe there is no legislation on the books for this type of behavior.
I have no tolerance or patience for anyone who would spit on another human being, or even talk about it!
It is one of the most despicable acts I can think of, not to mention the ultimate in disrespect.
Any person who spits in my face is in for a big surprise, because I will spray their face with pepper spray.
Hedidntbreakme: Get yourself some pepper spray, and don’t ever let anyone spit in your face again.
~And it really makes me crazy when I see small children spitting at each other….because they learned it somewhere.
You don’t come out of the womb spitting at people.
Maybe you do, if you are a S, who knows.
All I know is I cannot stand spitting!
hedidn’tbreakme..
Geez… stop being so down on yourself..
Workout for your health and well-being.. whiten your teeth if you want to and it makes yout feel god about you.. take care of your skin.. for you!
take care of yourself to be healthy… nothing is more attractive than a healthy, fit, condident woman…
Do it all for yourself…take care of your body.. your heart and your soul…
he doesn’t define you …
You define you…
Ok? OK!…
and workout to release stress and to cleanse your body of toxins. THat will help your skin….
hedidnbreakme – you said it right – he mentally f—ked you – that is part of their playbook – at first we are perfect and we ‘hung the moon’ but soon we have bad breath and dirty feet – any little thing they can say or do too undermine our confidence they will do it – say it – you will get on with being you again – give yourself time – work on you…
spirit40 you guestion about having no soul being the same as no conscience made me think – Having a soul is somewhat a religious term isnt it? our souls go to heaven or hell? Or some of us believe we are a soul rather than having a soul. I think I am a soul rather than having one. So they are souls, bad ones I guess, one’s with out conscience.
Henry…I would say based on the dictionary several definitions that it may seem a religious term or theological term, but I am not sure I think we relate it to being religious based on what I found : the animating and vital principle in humans often conceived as an immaterial entity that survives death;a spirit or ghost; a human;a person considered as the perfect embodiment of an intangible quality(the very soul of discretion); ahhh haaa : a persons emotional or moral nature(bingo); ethnic pride….
The statement was posed to me like this henry “post modernistic
a persons identity(no soul) so I can apply it to the first definition.
Thanks! henry or reincarnated do the bad ones get a chance to come back as good ones I wonder??? no they come back as slugs huh……cockroaches???
hedidntbreakme..my opinion he is projecting what he does not like about himself onto you…..I would think most do not like themselves at all how else can you define others when you do not know who you are yourself? A persons identity I think we know who we are we acknowledge our flaws and that just gives a nasty person the chance to pull out all the punches to beat you down…. about the little flaws making them seem Huge…and character defining.. we can rebuild our character… they never had one..starting from a clean slate get your mojo back..find your element…stand your ground..easier said than done I know..
ElleJay,
Wow–I want to ask where you live, because your experience sounds SO MUCH LIKE MINE that I”m thinking “holy cow, I know that guy; I’m recovering from that guy.” But I know that telling your location may compromise your identity a bit more than you’d like to. . .
What strikes me is that every woman and man who finds themselves involved with a s/p/n (I really am thinking more and more that I was involved with a Narcissist, though he sure does fit the Sociopath profile as well. They all blur together at a point. . . ), anyway, all of us who were involved with one or more of these abusers have something in common – we’re good, relatively healthy law-abiding folks with a strong streak of the adventurer in us. The first counselor who I went to see as I was trying to pull myself out of the web I was in declared me “a high risk taker.”
Thus, many of us who are writing on this blog have a pretty healthy sexual appetite, we like having a good time, we enjoy new experiences. . . and that I think is both our strengths and the potential source of our guilt. Abusers look for folks like us, who also have a conscience, because when they get us to go to that new place that may even border on the illegal, we begin thinking that we’re the sickos.
But we’re not. (I’m working on convincing myself of this, even as I write.) We’re just good citizens who recognize that living as human beings will most likely involve having a sexuality or lifestyle that does not fit into a 1960’s sit-com family stereotype.
Hope that makes sense. I really needed to say that.
I have a question. I noticed that Leslie commented this S/P replied to her question [ if he had been with men] in a monotone. My last PX spoke in a monotone at times-which really unnerved me [ and the reptilian look his eyes had developed]. What is with the monotone?
*all this sexual weirdness has so blown my nerves that the thought of marrying again and having to resume an intimate relationship sends shock waves through me. I really feel I am blown out in this regard plus if someone/anyone starts crossing boundaries in my life…..I immediately shut down. It’s just reaction that I do not consciously do….I mean my mind just automatically closes the door.
REgarding myspace and facebook. Remember…NO CONTACT. They can EASILY have a program (lots of them out there) that tell them who is visiting their site. Not your name, but your computer’s IP address, and usually what state you are in. Probably not hard for them to figure out if it is you looking at their page. Don’t give them that satisfaction!!!!! Just a little extra motivation to not peak, even under an alias. It will still show YOUR computer.