By Ox Drover
Donna’s great article about Victory, of a sort, over a sociopath the other day got me to thinking.
Just what is “victory?”
My wonderful stepfather was a young basketball coach when he got his first real job coaching for a very small rural school which had not had a winning game in over a decade. The team was dispirited and had no real expectation of ever winning a game.
One of the local coaches bragged that he would beat them “by a hundred points!” at the next game. The team thought there was a good possibility that that coach’s team could do just that. However, it is “good sportsmanship” for a coach playing a much weaker team to let their second, third, and fourth strings get a chance to play, and to win over the weaker team, but not “tromp” them.
Daddy thought this other coach’s brag to stomp and tromp his team was poor sportsmanship so he made a plan. When the fourth quarter started and Daddy’s team had the ball, they “froze” it (which was legal in the game then) and wouldn’t either shoot the ball or take a chance on losing it, so passed the ball from one of Daddy’s team members to another the entire quarter. They didn’t make any points, but they kept the other team from even getting their hands on the ball the entire quarter, and thus making points against them. Daddy’s team didn’t win, but the other coach didn’t win by his “hundred points” either. That little team went on the next year to win their division championship because of the confidence that Daddy inspired in them.
Sometimes “winning” or “victory” can be interpreted in different ways. I’m also reminded of the old Country and Western song, the “Winner” where an older man and a younger man are in a bar talking. The younger man wants to be a “winner” in bar fight brawls, and the older man is educating him on what is “winning” and what isn’t.
Sure, you can get into a fight and you may inflict more damage on your opponent than he inflicts on you in the fight, but like the old man said, “He gouged out my eye, but I won.” Sometimes it is better to walk away from a fight and not lose more than you have already lost, or allow your opponent to take another “pound of flesh” in your attempts to “get justice.”
It isn’t always about getting what you deserve, or victory over them, or even seeing that they get “what they so richly deserve,” sometimes, I think, “winning” simply means keeping them from taking more out of you and, like Daddy’s team, “freezing the ball.” Sometimes, it is like the would-be barroom brawler, walking away (intact) with the other guy yelling curses in your direction.
It is emotionally tough to watch a cheater “get away with it” when they have ripped us off, and go “waltzing away” unscathed and apparently the victor. It eats at our sense of fairness to let them “succeed” and not pay a price for their bad behavior.
Yet, sometimes, “discretion is the better part of valor” to use an old phrase, or to “be a live dog, rather than a dead lion,” and “retreat and live to fight another day.”
Those victims who are not able to fight for a “victory” of any sort, I don’t think need to feel that they have “failed” because they chose not to fight the sociopath.
Too many times fighting the psychopaths are like “fighting a circular saw,” as my grandmother would have said. It “just isn’t worth it,” because the damage to yourself will be worse than you can possibly inflict on the psychopath. They stack the odds so in their own favor, that even if you “win,” you end up like the old brawler sitting in the barroom, broken and so gravely injured yourself in your effort to gain a “victory, of sorts” that in retrospect the price was too high.
Sometimes, it is better to walk away a “loser” but still intact, and with your head held high, using the energy and resources you have left to focus on healing yourself, on recovering what you have lost in terms of finances and strength, and take care of yourself. To me that is also a “viable victory.”
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Dear ERIN,
YOU ARE A WISE WOMAN, my friend.
Your list of characteristics of the TOXIC people we see in real life and especially on LF.
I also notice that the TOXIC people seem to always be about how THEIR PAIN is the biggest pain, and that, therefore entitles them to be hateful or feel “targeted” by others.
It is interesting to note too, that most people who are genuine come here in pain, but before long (usually only a matter of days) they are GIVING BACK SUPPORT TO OTHERS. You will notice the TOXIC people are not like that, they TAKE but aren’t much for giving, and are more involved in how THEY deserve more notice, more sympathy, more….more…and more. They seem to think that because they have been “victimized” that it gives them a “right” to strike out at others here. Blame others for not giving them enough attention/sympathy/pity/adoration or whatever it is that they are after.
I agree totally with you, I am NOT going to let that kind of lurker, blogger, “member” or whatever, stand in the way of my PEACE. I am in control of ME. I am in control of who I listen to, or don’t listen to, or respond to, and I choose NOT to respond to this kind of person. Donna does a good job of it and I am glad we have the “report” link because it does make it convenient to use if we need it, but fortunately, we don’t need it very often. Doesn’t mean “they” are not here, or lurking though, so we need to use our GUT and our good sense. TOWANDA for you!!!!
I agree that some of the signs are,a] coming in on a whole lot of new, bogus names,b} always about them, never give anything back,c} violent mood swings and disturbed sounding blogs,d] erratic, irrational outbursts,e}SAME STORY under different names, this is a big clue,f] vindictive, bitchy, spiteful blogs,g} persecution complex, ie, thinking we are out to “GET” them on LF,{why would we do this? We are supporting each other!}h} singling one or two people out as “special” on LF and trying to make cliques.Be aware peeps, there is a wolf in sheeps clothing in our midst.Gem. We need these people likea dose of the clap!I agree use your GUT instincts and screen them out! If we ignore them , hopefully they will go away. They are phoneys, liars,con artists They thrive on attention. Give them NONE, they are infantile.
Sooner or later, they will not only make a noose for their own necks, they will hang themselves with it, with no help from us. Gem.
Gem,
The part that really gets me, is the singling particular people on the blog as “special”. That is the biggest red flag of all. The rest of the stuff, I could overlook as being insecure or needy or just lacking social finesse. I would even overlook self centeredness. Basically any childish behavior I will notice, but I tend to just deal with it, but not the “special” treatment. The “special” treatment is a cold and calculated attempt to seed ENVY and SHAME. I HATE THAT. I really, really have a problem with diabolical behavior that tries to set people up to be isolated or bullied. It is done by the “special” treatment of everyone that you want on your side, and by ignoring one person or two whom you are targeting.
I’m so glad you noticed it. I thought I was the only one who perceived that particular ploy. It’s disgusting.
But you know what? You are right, that’s my policy too: give them all the rope they need to hang themselves with. you can even tell them that you’re doing that, and they’ll still make a noose. And, I see another benefit for us here at LF, it reminds us to keep our radar up and what the red flags look like. God knows we need reminders.
Remember, P’s are good for one thing: as an example of HOW NOT TO BE.
Well, the “testosterone festival” we hosted for my son C’s 40th birthday today is over, and the house is calm again. I cooked about 5 gallons of 2-alarm chili and there is about a quart left, and TWO big cakes, about 1/2 of one left, and 4 or 5 pots of coffee….I ate too much myself, but the guys had a great time doing “boy” things.
My SMALL contribution was the cooking, and the BIG contribution was hosting the drama-queen wife of one of our beloved friends who has been quite ill, but looked wonderful today and seemed to have as much fun as the birthday boy!
My guys were very appreciative of my “sacrifice” and after every one left, they gave me a back rub in appreciation for my bravery under fire! LOL
I must be making some progress though, because just 6 months or a year ago the THOUGHT of spending all day and most of the evening with her would have made me PUKE!!!! But they owe me another back rub! LOL
Oh, and they’re also good for drama if you write books or screenplays!
🙂
Oxy, you made me hungry!
chili sounds yummy, cake sounds yummier!
congrats on your son’s 40th and your progress with your PTSD.
It didn’t rain today (but supposed to start again tomorrow!) but no sunshine either, and was COOL (low 50s) so I made the chili cause it is easy, fast, and the crowd of guys could eat whenever they wanted to—most of the day they stayed outside on the pistol or rifle range, it sounded like a third world revolution out there, so I stayed in the house where it was warm and kept the drama queen entertained. Mostly all I had to do was to nod, say “uh huh” once in a while and act like I was listening and say “oh, that’s interesting” (liar, liar, pants on fire) ROTFLMAO
I iam amazed, though, at how I did tolerate it, knowing that she is an insignificant part of my life, and we all 3 really love her husband, and with his health being what it is (he is a stage 4 cardiac patient with congestive heart failure) he won’t be around very long and just seeing him smile and have a good time made my guys enjoy the day even more, knowing he was enjoying it as well.
It is odd (funny?) that she doesn’t grate on my nerves like she did, I guess maybe my BS-toleration-factor is improving because the stress level is down and I am not as “cranky”—-
When I was a kid and someone would say something nasty, the teacher would sometimes say “CONSIDER THE SOURCE” and you know, that is GREAT ADVICE because when someone we care little or nothing about says something lnasty, why should be CARE what they think? The “GIVE A CHIT” factor is what causes us to be pithed off at these yokels, so why should we CARE? INDIFFERENCE IS NIRVANA!
I agree, Skylar, but now I feel vulnerable on LF, whereas before I felt I could say anything and be myself, as I was amongst friends who understand as they have all walked in my Moccassins. Now I feel like a peeled shrimp, or someone in a glass house with no clothes on.We come to LF for safety and validation, and to feel there is an evil being in the wings, reading our deep secrets is disturbing, and upsetting. Suddenly I dont feel safe anymore.I guess this is life, they are EVERYWHERE,even on LF. We have to keep our radar on , even here.Love, Gem.It makes me very angry.