The question was, “When can you trust your man?”
A reporter who was writing an article on the topic for a major women’s magazine asked the question. It showed up in my e-mail because I subscribe to a service that distributes questions from reporters to experts all around the world who may be able to answer them.
I knew what the reporter was looking for. She wanted succinct little tips like:
- “You can trust your man if he always shows up when he says he will, or at least calls to tell you he’ll be late.”
- “You can trust your man if he introduces you to his mother.”
- “You can trust your man if he shows you his income tax return.”
But, after being married to a sociopath, and hearing the stories of so many Lovefraud readers, I knew that these external signs may not be accurate.
The luring stage
In the beginning of a relationship, the luring stage, sociopaths can be reliable and punctual. They may seem proud to introduce you to their families. They may appear to be financially solvent.
Sociopathic individuals can appear to be deserving of respect, love and trust as long as it suits their purpose. These predators know what they are supposed to do to win over a lover. And they are capable of actually doing it—at least until they feel like they no longer need to.
Once they have their hooks set in you, they may be late—or even disappear for days or weeks with no explanation. Their families may trip over themselves to be good to you—probably because they want you to take the parasite off their hands. And they may flash cash and financial documents—cash taken from the previous partner, and documents that are forged.
So how do you know when to trust your man—or woman? Here’s my answer: You can trust your partner when you can trust yourself.
Trusting yourself
When it comes to romantic relationships, there are two dimensions to trusting yourself.
The first is your own sense of self. You know who you are, what you want, and where your boundaries are. You know that you deserve to be loved simply for being yourself. You understand that a relationship involves giving and taking by both parties, not one person doing all the giving and the other all the taking. You will not jeopardize your well-being in order to have companionship.
The second dimension is trusting your intuition. Your gut, your body, your sixth sense, will tell you when something is wrong. You must have to have enough faith in yourself that you can hear or feel the intuitive messages, and pay attention to them. We get in trouble when we allow ourselves to be talked out of what our intuition is telling us. When a person or suggestion makes us feel uncomfortable, that’s our early warning system, and we must trust ourselves enough to listen.
I responded to the magazine reporter’s inquiry. I told her than the time to trust a man is when we trust ourselves. She didn’t reply. I assume that my answer wasn’t what she wanted.
Oh and BTW OX?
He let me know, not by words, but by actions, what a piece of SHIT parent I want…..ex POS……….
He let me know it………..even through incredible trauma.
And because I was already blaming myself, I bought it….
I hung onto him for dear life because I had so few……if at all………
And I was nothing but a piece of shit parent. He exploited my trauma, both for sex for closeness from me, as well as a way to let me know his parenting skills were better.
And with a sex offending son, well, who the hell wouldn’t believe what exPOS had to say about it? Because it was RIGHT…….even then, he took all he knew and exploited it in a heartwrenching manner.
A trauma on top of a trauma………..
LL
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I gave away too much of myself, too early, and the crazy thing is, I knew early on that it would never work out. He told me about his 3 ex-wives and 2 “baby mamas”, including years to-from, on our 2nd date!!! Yes, it was a major red flag, but I thought as long as I wasn’t gonna be wife #4, might as well just date & have fun. And since he came clean about those relationships, even a little about how/why they ended, I didn’t really ask a lot of other questions. He even mentioned he & his 2nd ex-wife were on good terms now.
He did make a big distinction between the women who were “girlfriends” and “just friends.” I was special, not just anyone got to be a girlfriend, and meet his family!!! (sarcasm) I didn’t think he had much luck with women – nice smile, but short, balding, certainly not a womanizer! What questions should be asked? Wouldn’t he just have lied anyway?
I trusted him, I thought we were in a real relationship. He told me bad news, but not all at once. He got laid off 1 month after we got together. Then he told me he filed for bankruptcy last year. Then the IRS contacted him for money he owed. And that dang ever-present BlackBerry! So many red flags and I ignored them, because I thought since he wasn’t marriage material I was safe!
I didn’t even provide much “supply” in material terms (some, like home-cooked meals and a comfy bed) but not much (no liquid assets) and not for long. Maybe what he wanted was credibility. Well-educated, good job, own home – wow, I’m quite a catch!
I guess where he really scored was toying with my emotions. Bringing his little boy into my life. Always asking if I felt pregnant, knowing how desperately I wanted to have a child but have fertility issues. Shaming me about having “too much stuff.” Playing off my vanity of aging, and body image. And yet, he made me feel like he accepted me, flaws and all.
My instincts were telling me something was wrong this whole time, even my friends knew it didn’t add up. I couldn’t see it, but I felt it. I just didn’t know what it was. Now I guess it doesn’t matter WHAT is wrong, it matters what is WRONG. Am I right?
Dear Oxy, I cant write for long up here in Davids study, as the temp. is 40 deg. C, and 95 % humidity! Hottest day this year, unbearable! The sweat is running into my eyes as I write! Just wanted to say,”Welcome Home, Oxy!” Sorry to hear that your friends dip stick husband spoiled the time for you. Good for you for cutting the time short and coming home.You did the right thing.
Lotsa love, GemXXX{{{HUGS!}}}
I’m up early, working. For some reason all the clients are active right now. And it’s good for money, but there’s not a lot of time for sleep.
I read all the pain and regrets here, the self-blaming and the feelings of being blamed by the outside world. I understand how hard this is.
What Donna is talking about, the burning away of the debris that keeps us from understanding who we are and trusting our own center is a real thing. All this pain, even pain we’ve been living with for a long time, is part of that process.
One of the reasons I write here is to help people understand how healing works. If we don’t know that, we may not believe that we are really made to work through our traumas, to really get well, and to evolve through these traumas into something better. A combination of our true selves — independent, compassionate and creative — made wise and skilled through experience.
If we understand that truth, we don’t get brainwashed by ideas that we will be permanently scarred, permanently victimized, permanently stuck in the symptoms of healing. Which may be shock, denial, self-blame, self-hatred, feelings of being ostrasized or blamed by other, fear of making mistakes, endless regrets, depression, fear of more bad coming, etc. These are normal feelings in the healing process. They are also feelings that lead to other things, if we stop being afraid of these feelings and really explore them.
That’s why we go to therapy, because therapists are trained to help us express these feelings — get them out of our heads and into our conversations — so we can begin to understand why we feel them. Not just the immediate issues, which are actually often caused by unacknowledged older feeling, but what’s really underneath them. The traumas that we really need to work on.
It also helps to talk about things here, as we all know. It helps to journal. I found another technique when I was working on myself, which was to “sit inside” my worst pain and wait for it to talk to me. It was like peeling an onion, one pain would would lead me to what was below it, and then I would sit with that. But eventually, I came to the real causes of what Donna calls the debris inside me. The voices that criticized me, the traumas that really affected the way I looked at myself and the world, and then I could do the deep and permanent work on recovering myself and my life.
For some reason, I believed that this was possible, when everyone else was telling me to “just forget about it and move on.” And I discovered that its is possible to change my understanding of these traumas. To remove their power over my life, and understand that they were not my fault, that there was bad luck involved in the sense of being subjected to people or natural forces that I couldn’t anticipate or control, and that — and this is the important things — they hurt me but they didn’t really change who I was. The coping strategies I developed, particularly as a child, changed my beliefs and behaviors. But I could develop better coping strategies now, ones that didn’t diminish me or make me adjust my whole life to the constant presence of fear or the need to survive in a dangerous world.
I’ve written a lot about this in other posts and in the series of articles that is here on LoveFraud, so I’m not going to into detail now. But I just wanted to say again that that healing is a natural process. And to a great degree it’s programmed into us. We just have to let ourselves go through it, and believe that there is a good ending to it. Because there is. These challenges are a kind of schoolroom, where we’re faced with the need to learn something new about the world, but more importantly about ourselves.
Surprisingly, one of the things we often learn is that we’ve always been doing a pretty good job with difficult circumstances. And this may sound strange to some of us that live with shame and a lot of regrets about what seems like crazy past behavior. Believe me, if I ever write an honest autobiography, you guys would be shocked out of your shoes. But you know, I had reason every inch of the way. And even the apparently craziest things I did were ways of managing or of having some creativity in the midst of depression or of finding some kind of identity in the midst of blown boundarie and lost dreams.
Do I have regrets? Sure I do, but regrets are a kind of game we play in retrospect. It’s easy to say that we wish we had done something differently. But the truth is that what we’re saying is that we wish we had been different, that we weren’t carrying all the confusion and pain and limited perspectives that were really the source of these behaviors. And that’s not so easy to “fix” in retrospect, because this was all about untreated trauma and limited resources. And it’s really pointless to beat ourselves up about that. So regrets are really just an expression of the fact that we’re better now, that in the same circumstances, we would have more sanity and more resources. And that’s something we can celebrate. Every regret should come with a kind of long exhale, and a feeling of gratitude that we’ve moved to another level in our lives.
Regrets about damage to other people are more challenging. The more we heal, the more we understand the real dynamics of interpersonal damage. How what people did to us caused us pain and, in the worst cases, how we developed coping mechanisms that shaped our lives in non-productive ways. And knowing that, we can also imagine more of how our behaviors may have affected other people.
Especially when it’s our children, this is really hard to make peace with. I live with a emotionally ill son, and one of the challenges is managing my own feelings of self-blame, because he grew up with an untreated incest survivor. No matter how determined I was not to pass on the damage to him, I realize now how unbalanced I was and what my lifestyle put him through.
But here is the reality that I have to deal with. Devoting a lot of time to self-blame or anything else that destabilizes me is an indulgence I can’t afford, as long as he’s living with me. I need to find the strength in myself to be compassionate to both of us, to hold onto my belief that we both are entitled to have our needs met so that we stay as healthy and happy a we can be, and that the key to all of this is trusting and having a good relationship with myself. Blaming myself for something that happened years ago is a waste of time and can only make things worse now.
That doesn’t mean we don’t talk about happened and how he feels about it. I freely acknowledge that he grew up with a mother who was certifiably crazy at times and made some really awful decisions. But when he gets into angry, grieving, blaming states, as he does occasionally, I also recognize that this is not about me, but his own struggles with his feelings and his healing process. And when I’ve reached my limit in listening to those feelings, I tell him. Because I am not his therapist, and I cannot be that. His healing is not about me, but himself. And he needs to find support from someone who is not emotionally involved, because I have feelings too.
All of this eventually comes down to staying in touch with ourselves, with understanding and believing that it is important to take care of ourselves. To comfort ourselves when we need it. To include recreation and fun in our lives. To make sure we have private time and down time, as well as all the time we spend on taking care of the various types of work and life maintenance we have to do.
As everyone here knows, diving into trauma-created feelings eats a lot of energy and time. It removes us from the forward motion of our lives. I believe it’s really important to invest in the “inside time” for healing. But it’s also ultimately within our control to make choices about when and how much time we give to it. And when there is a threat from the outside to experience something that will only make it worse — and that includes the repercussions of bringing our emotional problem to work or expressing our bottled-up anger on people who don’t deserve it or leaning on people who are themselves too damaged or needy to handle it — we can put it away for a while, until we have the privacy or support to work on it again.
I only say this, because it makes us feel better to know that we are working on ourselves in ways that are safe and don’t do further damage. And it’s important at these times to recognize that we are not stupid or terminally damaged or completely without internal resources. That is never true, unless we’re in full-out psychotic break. Rather we are just tired or overwhelmed or taxed by the processing effort. And we have to consider that in planning our lives, that we need to give ourselves recovery time, just the same as if we were recovering from a car accident or major surgery.
I hope this makes sense. And I hope it eases at least a little of the fear that goes with recovery. We’re not going to be in it forever. Things do get better. Time helps, even if we don’t work on our healing. But if do we do work on it, with a belief that we are eventually getting something really good out of it, it goes faster and is a lot more exciting and enjoyable. Even the pain, even the rediscovery of old traumas. It’s sounds wierd but it’s true. Learning about ourselves, giving ourself the gift of time and attention, is one of the greatest and most profitable things we can ever do. Don’t begrudge it or hate your feelings. They just part of healing.
Love —
Kathy
Kathy, I think the above post is the BEST one that you have posted on LF. Thank you. I found some real gems to gnaw on for a while and ruminate over that apply to myself.
when people asked where you were oxy, i wanted to tell everyone that you had gone off to kill something somewhere. but, no, i was delicate and reserved, and said nothing of the sort. and now you go and use terminology like, ‘gnaw’. tsk.
Oxy Moxy…..I’m thrilled to hear about the Parole being denied.
Rest easy…..good going girly!!!
I’m still in move mode….today i’ve had the CLers buying my shit……
Made some money…..on a roll…….
I’ll proly be in moving mode for the next several weeks.
Filed the motions with my attorney for spath to comply, or the court will take care of it for him……
Those wheels are in motion….
No bites on the house, but showing like crazy. I feel like I’m ‘inbetween’. Pack, clean up for showing,make a mess, clean up for showing……
I’ve got some grounded normalcy with my friends popping by for coffee…..still have a couch left downstairs to sit on.
Kids have moved a few weeks ago…..they are going to be nuts when I finally move over there…..for now it’s thier crash pad. FOR NOW! Jr said, he hopes and prays that I find the cash stash…..then I can stay here and them there……
NICE thought huh? I’m still looken.
Just had to take the dishes out of the dishwasher……it was running as the dude came by and bought it.
Crazy eb’s on a roll….
Kudos’ again on the parole hearing!!!!
XXOO
EB
Kathy Hawk…..your one amazing woman! Thanks for sharing yourself with us!
Dear One stepper,
Yes, I did go to texas to kill something! LOL and Boy did I ever! I guess Winter brings out the killer in me—when the meat can be processed! LOL
Brought in a piece of scrap meat for the dog (I froze about 200 pounds of dog food scraps) and it was a long skinny piece and the dog got on one end and the cat on the other and they just sat there growling at each other. I wanted to break them up but couldn’t quit giggling. LOL Had a kitten one time about 5 weeks old and the size of your fist jump on a 5 pound piece of horse meat that was seized on the other end by a 140 pound Great Pyrenees dog’s mouth and the kitten hung on with all four feet and growled at the dog as the dog carried the meat off, KITTEN AND ALL. The kitten was immediately named Tiger for her courage! She also ate her fill of the meat before turning loose…giant dog or no giant dog. LOL
EB, yep, I’m pleased to at least have some breathing room, but I need to use that 3 years to get PREPARED TO MOVE if I end up having to and frankly it would not surprise me if he gets out in 3 years. I just need to use the time constructively so that I am in a position to move quickly and not leave too much behind.
It will also depend on if my egg donor is alive or not. I can’t sell out until she is passed away. So if she lives AND he gets out, then I will have to move without being able to sell out this property until she passes away. Almost like a foreclosure just with a chance that if I live long enough I can at least sell out if not come back.
Glad you are doing what needs to be done and that your friends are supportive of you and you are able to sell a few things. Maybe you will get lucky and your house will sell for more than the mortgage.
Actually, EB I’m not sure you may not like the smaller house better when you get adjusted, I actually got to like living in the RV, not much house work and not much STUFF to mess with. Keeping things simple and easy was the name of the game. Not accumulating a bunch of “stuff.” I’ve thrown out here and thrown out and donated and donated and still have wayyyyy more stuff than I actually need or use so got to get back in high gear on that.
But at least I have made some progress in getting organized and have gotten rid of quite a few things, just more is there to do. Had to buy a new front door today while we were in town. Had to order it as they didn’t have the one I wanted in stock. But not going to make any major remodels on the house when I may not be here more than 3-4 years, keep my $$ close to my pocket in case we have to move. Nothing seriously wrong with this house that needs fixing so no sense spending more than I have to for upkeep. The front door will actually pay for itself though as it is better insulated to keep out the cold than the steel one I have now.
Don’t work too hard and keep yer chin up, you may find the Black Beard’s treasure yet! LOL
oxy – I haven’t seen the post yet, but it seems the bugger sp is in jail for 3 more years! Awesome! and…. exhale!
One stepper, yep, he can’t go back to the parole board for another 3 years. I contacted the Texas state senator and the head of the Texas parole board who both sent me e mails of support and put letters against his parole in the parole file “thank you” letters today.
My next step is to see if my attorney will contact the victim’s family on my behalf to offer his services to them (paid for by me) so that they can more easily and effectively appeal to the parole board ALONG WITH ME to keep him incarcerated.
I can also hope in the meantime that Bubba shoves a shiv into his gut or lightening strikes the prison yard while he is out for recreation, or something takes him out of my life…but actually there may be a pretty good chance he may get out next time regardless of what I do or don’t do, but in the meantime, I have BREATHING room for 3 years AT LEAST. God is good!