Editor’s note: Sociopaths can fool anyone — even former fraud investigators. Here’s what a Lovefraud reader says about his experience.
I am a banking attorney, now in the private sector, but formerly conducting criminal bank fraud investigations when I worked for the government. A friend of mine who is a psychiatrist says I am one of the few people he’s ever met who can size up a person accurately within 10 seconds.
However, I am here to tell you from an experience I’ve been going through the last week or so that no matter how intuitive or streetsmart a person is, sociopaths can fool anyone. They are a breed unto themselves.
I am a gay man and was introduced to my sociopath back in February through my accountant who thought we had a lot in common. The sociopath is an interior designer by trade, but told me about a real estate deal he was trying to put together, to the tune of 40 million plus, to restore one of the legendary estates in the US and reconfigure it into high-end condos. I have to admit I was intrigued by his passion for the project.
We could talk for hours about everything—I tend to be pretty guarded by nature, but I found myself opening up around him. The sexual chemistry was amazing. I also found that he evoked feelings in me that surprised me—I was actually starting to envision a “white picket fence” future with this man and felt incredibly protective of him.
Inconsistencies in the story
Then this past weekend, while he was out, I noticed his wallet on the kitchen table. There were already a few inconsistencies in his story that were nagging at me — and we had only been seriously dating for six weeks. Anyhow, I found a Medicare card, which I found really unusual since he is 41 and I thought you had to be 65 to receive Medicare benefits.
To make a long story short, by the time I finished my investigation I discovered that he had at least 30 unsastisfied judgments against him, going back to 1991, well in excess of $200,000.
Read more: Fraud and other white-collar crimes — big and getting bigger
He had also told me that his landlord was trying to buy out his lease. No wonder, since the judgment searches revealed that in 2004 the landlord tried to force his way into the apartment and eject him. So, he probably hasn’t paid a penny in rent in years.
When I spoke to the attorneys on the last judgment entered against him in 2005 for $50,000, they told me he not only hadn’t any assets, but he also told them, at the time the lawsuit was filed in 1998, that he was dying of leukemia.
During a rant this weekend, he also mentioned how angry he was at a friend of his who recommended a certain design firm to another friend and how dare she do that when she knew the firm had fired him during the week his mother had died. I asked a friend who is a designer to get the story for me.
It seems he was head of the firm’s designers, but intercepting customer orders as they came in and selling the goods through someone he knew, then stalling the clients. When he was out that week, the firm finally did an inventory check and reviewed customer invoices and figured out what was going on. They didn’t press charges because they didn’t want the bad PR.
Fortunate escape
Of course, I had let myself get sucked into his vision of redoing this grand estate by this time. I thankfully didn’t open up my wallet, or let him move in. But I did ask a few friends who were bankers to take a look at the project. Once I conducted my investigation, I grabbed the phone, told them what I learned and to spike the project.
All the classic signs. Fortunately, I got out financially intact and with my reputation intact.
My friend who is a psychiatrist told me I should be proud of myself in that I figured him out within six weeks— even trained psychiatrists can get conned by these people longer than that. I have to admit I’m still sorting through all my conflicting feelings.
While I realize intellectually that what feelings he had for me are probably pure surface, it still hurts. My friend the psychiatrist told me that this guy probably actually liked me on some level, but also realized that with my background I was going to figure out his game ultimately, and then the jig would be up. I guess that’s a nicer way for me to think about it than to simply think that I was a means to an end.
Psychic sociopaths
I’ve come to the conclusion that sociopaths are psychic. Ever since I made my discoveries earlier this week, the last few days he has been bombarding me with phone calls and emails wanting to know if I am okay, etc. and proposing we get together. Mind you, I haven’t brought up any of what I’ve learned with him, since my psychiatrist friend and a police officer friend told me that he could turn violent on me.
Getting these people out of your life definitely poses a challenge. Both suggested that if he doesn’t vanish on his own once he discovers that I’ve outlived my usefulness by not being able to get the banks I sent his business proposal to to come through with the loans, that I tell him that an ex-boyfriend has re-entered the picture and that he is (a) a detective with the NYC Frauds Unit or (b) an FBI agent, the theory being that either will send the sociopath scurrying for the hills.
Anyhow, your webpage serves a real purpose. Keep up the good work. Tell your readers to trust their guts— sociopaths can fool anyone. If something is nagging at them, there’s probably a real reason for it.
I’ve spoken to a few friends this week, and I learned that there’s a real growing trend out there — after a first date, if you like someone and want to see them again, it’s becoming common to run a background check of them through Intellisearch or US Search. I’m now joining that club. If I had known about his chaotic financial history, I would have run for the hills before I ever got involved with him.
Learn more: How to report your abuser’s crimes so the police take you seriously
Lovefraud originally posted this article on July 1, 2007.
Sounds like your defense mechanism is now in overdrive! I read somewhere (probably here) that because of our experiences, we have learned what love is by discovering what IT IS NOT. By comparison, the people who are genuine in my life have become obvious. Their empathetic feelings and their treatment of me contrast sharply with the psycho’s behavior. Most people ARE NOT psychos. You have to remember that. Truth is we all have secret lives — that is normal — it’s just to WHAT DEGREE. There really are good people out there.
I agree though, I am now much more aware of red flags when they appear.
I agree with you laman……… before my encounter with a sociopath, I never really thought about “red” flags, other then the obvious ones, and usually those would happen near the begining of a relationship, in the dating stage…. I am much more aware of them now, but the problem with sociopaths, is that they wait……… wait till they have hooked you in the relationship…. since they have mirrored us and our desires, and they seem so perfect for us, when the facade starts to show some cracks, it’s too late… we have already given our heart, and have invested in the relationship…and they know this…. We begin to think maybe it was something we did, or maybe it was a misunderstanding…… at any rate, we want to forget that first hurt, and get back to the wonderful perfect relationship that is so dear to us, but now we all know the truth of what that kind of relationship reaps……Now… with our knowledge of what healthy relationships should be, we won’t be so easliy fooled and will not love with the same innocence that we have in the past.. .. in some ways, that is a great thing, because now we have boundaries, and when someone crosses that boundary, there are two reasons why….. they either are testing us, or they have no respect for us.. either way, it should be a one way ticket to outsville for them. I will say this…. in the year and a half since that relationship ended, my life has it’s share of dark emotions.. despair, confusion, self-hate, lonliness…. but something amazing has happened along the way….. I learned about me… why I have been attracted to emotionally unavailable women…. I also regained my life spark…. I know I am a loving child of God, and I have made many real friends since that relationship….. I also know that I will love again.. in a better way, in a way that is healthy for me and for my partner…. I will not settle for less then I deserve.. never again.. no matter how attractive, or suave, and charming she is….. and the boundaries that I have set in my mind about relationships, will never be bended….. I will not make exceptions, and when someone does not treat me in a right way, they are forgotten…… To get what we want in a relationship, we must be able to stick to those kind of boundaries… it will weed out the wanna-be’s and the pretenders….. Another thing… relationships take time to grow.. never again will I be duped into rushing into love, and if someone tries to pushe it, then they are not respecting me…. Laman, you are right about the obvious people who are genuine, and how their behaviour contrasts sharply with those with personality disorders…… In retrospect, I would never wish going through the relationship and the aftermath of life with a sociopath on my worst enemy… but, in a lot of ways, this horrible experience has taught me so many lessons, and made me a stronger person….. It has also given me eyes that really see, and ears that really hear….. In dealing with her, and the aftermath of hurt and confusion, I have rebuilt myself…. I became a Christian, and I look toward the future…. I know it will be so much better then my past…. I’m wiser, stronger and I love myself and my friends and family to be less, to settle for less then what I’m capable of……. I will leave you with this…………
Don’t spend major time with minor people. If there are people in your
life that continually disappoint you, break promises, stomp on your
dreams, too judgmental, have different values and don’t have your back
during difficult times…that is not a friend.
To have a friend, be a friend. Sometimes in life as you grow, your
friends will either grow or go. Surround yourself with people who
reflect values, goals interests and lifestyle.
When I think of any of my successes, I am thankful to GOD from whom
all blessings flow, and to my family and friends that enrich my life.
Over the years my phone book has changed because I changed for the
better. At first you think you’re going to be alone, but after a while
new people show up in your life that make your life so much sweeter
and easier to endure.
Remember what your elders used to say, “Birds of a feather flock
together. If you’re an eagle, don’t hang around chickens: Chickens
Can’t Fly!
I love the Lord and thank Him for all that he does in my life,
therefore, I’m passing this on. Yes I do love Jesus. He is my source
of existence and Savior. He keeps me functioning each and everyday.
Without Him, I will be nothing.
Without Him, I am nothing but with Him I can do all things. Phil 4:13
If you love Jesus, share this message with other people !!!!!!
Be Positive – Be Progressive – Take the time to make a positive
difference in someone’s life.
Walk by faith, Not by sight
Receive God’s blessings
Heal the past; live the present; dream the future.
We have heard that “psychic” comment about many of the predators on our site.
That may very well be true but we also know sociopaths are the most acute PROFILERS of people you will ever meet. They use NLP and Seduction Lures to trap and control.
Yes, it sure seems like they are psychic.
Fighter once again you are so right. My ex used many, many types of word salad and NLP like tactics as well as some brainwashing techniques and indeed I found newsletters on that subject he had subscribed to much later on. They SEEM like they are psychic and in fact my N kept insisting he was and doing little things to “prove” it to me. In the end I knew better but, I just let it slide. He seemed so silly to me then “predicting” things or saying he “knew” things that were total bull you know what.
However, I must say these tactics sure did a number on my mental health over time.
As for the banking attorney who was fooled by one of these people. You are not alone. One of the people MY N fooled completely was an investment banker who works in NYC on Park Avenue and is no dummy at all in any way. My N had no education and seems utterly harmless in a rather silly way and kind of pitiful. THAT is his act and he sure as hell has fooled many a person with it. In fact he’s doing it now. He has garnered himself a job in a helping profession with NO CREDENTIALS and everyone around him thinks he is a shining example of how someone can overcome terrible adversity to be a better person.
Lord have mercy. I once thought him capable of such “growth” too and so did the ex before me. These people are practiced and professional cons. They can fool anyone.
One thing that gets me on these sociopaths is that they always seem like they are one step ahead of you. I am not a stupid person but I’ll be darned that even after you break up with them (especially if you have kids together), they are trying to conjure up some sort of trouble and it feels like they are in your house or invading your privacy somehow (yes, I agree that they ARE psychic!) . I would say that one red flag was that in the beginning that they would turn up unexpectedly or call repeatedly. I ignored all the hang up calls at my workplace but could probably bet that it was them. Or, sometimes I would see them drive by my house late at night or catch them parked at the end of my street…everything they seem to do sends eerie chills down your spine. I am so happy I got rid of them!
is grateful70xl still around????
This is another great article that somehow I missed last summer! Glad Akitameg brought it back up! It is so true, too! It is almost like they are reading your mind—in my case I guess I actually told them what I was thinking and they didn’t have to “read” it as I read it to them, and they turned it against me.
It is nice to know though, that smarter people than I am have been fooled too! I guess that sounds “tacky” to feel that way, but at least I know I’m in “good company.”
OxD
Dr Hare warns of this! That anyone at any level of inlightenment! can be coned! From hobo to President !
I acctually look back and think how fortunate I was only 6 years and everything I had or saved ! I still have my life!
LOVE jere
PS Ownership of my P/S is up for sale Pay-PAL acct# 666 evil 999 ! :)~ bidding starts at .000000000000000001 cent
SEE here it is all over again ! We underestimate this MIMIC !
(we) say there can’t be a Suscessfull Psyco/Socio because we are looking at it from our own perspective !
Now They adapt readily and Mirrior reality! OK DUH Brain Fart ! All one has to do is remove the interpersonal relationships ! S/HE just does’nt get involved personally w/anyone ! fly by night ,one night stands , Pay for Pleasure to satisfy SEXUAL Dominance ,Control , POWER issues of course there is that need they have for immediadtly gratification to relieve BORDOUB ! :)~ no Patience ! The n S/HE has the Corprate EXC Job where all they do Is look Pretty and hob nob and devise new and improved ways to decieve everyone of everything includeing Sanity and Selfworth ! The american way! LOVE jere
I will never know the extent to which I was lied to, how many other women he was playing, or if he had a prison record. I will never know these things because I was one of the lucky ones, too. I got out early, after 2-1/2 months. Like the original poster, I felt this magical connection and saw white picket fences, too. My ex worked very hard to plant these images in my mind, telling me he wanted to take care of me and buy me everything I needed. When I left him, it wasn’t because I found out about the lying and fraud. It was because he pulled a stunt on me for the second time that was unacceptable. He did not show up for a date we’d planned, didn’t call, didn’t return my calls, and (here is the crowning glory) I saw him posting on our mutual website as if he hadn’t a care in the world. That was the last straw for me. The first time he pulled this, he told me afterward that he was having minor brain surgery. I believed him because it fit with the rest of the story he’d given me.
It wasn’t until after I broke contact that I learned of all of his fraudulent activities and lies. Not only did he not file divorce papers (as he said he did) but he and his wife were trying to defraud the army out of a phony medical discharge. He was faking symptoms of a head injury he claimed to receive in Iraq. I was his army commanders themselves who told me this. It was the testimony of me and my friends who met the S that hopefully foiled his scheme. I did not stay in touch with the army, and I don’t know whatever happened. When he found out I turned him in, he disappeared from our mutual website. That was in the middle of September. I have not seen or heard from him since.
I actually don’t think about him much these days. I broke up with him in the beginning of July and turned him in to the army in September. I am still incredulous that these types of people exist. But they all seem to have the same M.O., seducing us on our dreams. In my case, my parents didn’t love me and had never really taken care of me. He must have sensed that bacause he acted like the man who would finally take care of me and give me everything I have ever dreamed of. Unlike other P’s, he did not try to steal my money, of which I have none anyway. He seemed to really genuinely be falling in love with me. God only knows how many other women he was playing simultaneously.
I have dealt with many abusive people in my life. But I have never seen anything like this. He was never abusive and never raised his voice. Never devalued me. Just a total pathological liar. Wow is all I can say.
I can honestly say I am over him, although if I ever had contact with him again, it may stir up some feelings. I am left now to deal with the pain of parental neglect in my adult life. The scars run so deep, and sometimes I don’t know if I’ll love myself enough to survive. But with all this going on, I certainly don’t need psychopaths in the mix.
Peace out,
StarG